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		<title>Comment on Consoles Shouldn&#8217;t Drink in Drive Time by Kerry Plackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=1253#comment-1699</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry Plackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 10:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to mention Bryan Harz, our broadcast technician, and Jeff Halapin, our Director of Engineering, were the first responders and were critical in the repairs of the console.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to mention Bryan Harz, our broadcast technician, and Jeff Halapin, our Director of Engineering, were the first responders and were critical in the repairs of the console.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing the FM Audio Proof – Part Five by Jeff Keith</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=987#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gary,

My hunch is that there wouldn&#039;t be much difference with HD on or off because it&#039;s the limited audio headroom in the *analog* side of the radio that is mostly at fault for the distortion problem heard on these radios. How excessive bandwidth caused by high analog modulation might affect the performance of HD or how the presence of HD in combination with high analog modulation affects the analog audio performance is something that I haven&#039;t measured yet. But it is intriguing...

Whenever I&#039;ve encountered a &#039;where is it coming from&#039; distortion issue in the field the analog modulation has always been *well* north of 120%. So far, when the station is also running HD it&#039;s only been the analog side that sounds distorted (most engineers know they dare not hammer away 0dBFS on the HD side!). 

The most telling clue is that when modulation is backed down (for instance from 140% to 120%) without touching anything related to the processing the station suddenly sounds much better on radios that were previously distorted. Makes you go hmmmm......

Back in the day I was guilty of sneaking another 5% modulation (115% instead of 110%) if I could get away with it, and radios of the day didn&#039;t seem to care. In the past few years however I&#039;ve been to stations that are boldly modulating 130% to 140% and I think this is when and where the limitations of finite receiver headroom finally rears its ugly head.  

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gary,</p>
<p>My hunch is that there wouldn&#8217;t be much difference with HD on or off because it&#8217;s the limited audio headroom in the *analog* side of the radio that is mostly at fault for the distortion problem heard on these radios. How excessive bandwidth caused by high analog modulation might affect the performance of HD or how the presence of HD in combination with high analog modulation affects the analog audio performance is something that I haven&#8217;t measured yet. But it is intriguing&#8230;</p>
<p>Whenever I&#8217;ve encountered a &#8216;where is it coming from&#8217; distortion issue in the field the analog modulation has always been *well* north of 120%. So far, when the station is also running HD it&#8217;s only been the analog side that sounds distorted (most engineers know they dare not hammer away 0dBFS on the HD side!). </p>
<p>The most telling clue is that when modulation is backed down (for instance from 140% to 120%) without touching anything related to the processing the station suddenly sounds much better on radios that were previously distorted. Makes you go hmmmm&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Back in the day I was guilty of sneaking another 5% modulation (115% instead of 110%) if I could get away with it, and radios of the day didn&#8217;t seem to care. In the past few years however I&#8217;ve been to stations that are boldly modulating 130% to 140% and I think this is when and where the limitations of finite receiver headroom finally rears its ugly head.  </p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing the FM Audio Proof – Part Five by Jeff Keith</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=987#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

Thanks for writing! As you point out, most listeners aren&#039;t using the kind of radios that we &#039;radio&#039; people would use, which is why I enlisted the help of the station&#039;s staff in loaning me a bunch of their &#039;regular&#039; radios to see how those behaved.

Two of the 27 radios I tested were car radios - the one in my Mazda RX-7 and the one in the station&#039;s engineering vehicle (our GM&#039;s former vehicle), a fully loaded Eddie Bauer edition Ford Explorer. The vehicles were measured while parked in my garage at home, and both had a fairly easy way to grab pre-volume control line level output.

How the distortion sounded was a little hard to describe and it did vary by radio. As an audio guy I would describe it as a healthy mixture of harmonic and intermodulation distortion. It sure made an otherwise nicely processed radio station sound &#039;broken&#039; on many of the radios.  If you think about it, the nonlinear behavior measured in these radios at high modulation levels is just like adding a soft clipper (driven fairly hard!) on top of of the station&#039;s on-air processing. This might also be why the apparent loudness of a station varied so much between the various radios (the ones that sounded louder were also the ones that sounded more distorted).

From scoping around inside a couple of the radios it appeared to me that they were mostly running out of audio headroom, not IF bandwidth, though that could be true to some degree too. In most cases it looked as though it was usually the radio&#039;s stereo demodulator chip that was being overdriven, and since the distortion was being created &#039;pre-volume control&#039; there is no way for a listener to turn the distortion down.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>Thanks for writing! As you point out, most listeners aren&#8217;t using the kind of radios that we &#8216;radio&#8217; people would use, which is why I enlisted the help of the station&#8217;s staff in loaning me a bunch of their &#8216;regular&#8217; radios to see how those behaved.</p>
<p>Two of the 27 radios I tested were car radios &#8211; the one in my Mazda RX-7 and the one in the station&#8217;s engineering vehicle (our GM&#8217;s former vehicle), a fully loaded Eddie Bauer edition Ford Explorer. The vehicles were measured while parked in my garage at home, and both had a fairly easy way to grab pre-volume control line level output.</p>
<p>How the distortion sounded was a little hard to describe and it did vary by radio. As an audio guy I would describe it as a healthy mixture of harmonic and intermodulation distortion. It sure made an otherwise nicely processed radio station sound &#8216;broken&#8217; on many of the radios.  If you think about it, the nonlinear behavior measured in these radios at high modulation levels is just like adding a soft clipper (driven fairly hard!) on top of of the station&#8217;s on-air processing. This might also be why the apparent loudness of a station varied so much between the various radios (the ones that sounded louder were also the ones that sounded more distorted).</p>
<p>From scoping around inside a couple of the radios it appeared to me that they were mostly running out of audio headroom, not IF bandwidth, though that could be true to some degree too. In most cases it looked as though it was usually the radio&#8217;s stereo demodulator chip that was being overdriven, and since the distortion was being created &#8216;pre-volume control&#8217; there is no way for a listener to turn the distortion down.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing the FM Audio Proof – Part Five by Gary</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=987#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff! What sort of result do you think you would get , if you performed the same test with an IBOC signal present ? Also, I would like to see IM distortion levels for the analog output (with IBOC on and off)..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff! What sort of result do you think you would get , if you performed the same test with an IBOC signal present ? Also, I would like to see IM distortion levels for the analog output (with IBOC on and off)..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reinventing the FM Audio Proof – Part Five by Pat Wahl</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=987#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Wahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. How many of those 27 radios were car radios? I&#039;d really be more interested in how they perform, since most of our listeners are not using home stereos, superradios, etc...
Also, what would you say this distortion sounds like?
How noticeable would it be for a typical listener who doesn&#039;t have us up really loud and has background ambience blending in?
This is a very interesting topic and I think your research is a great idea. I&#039;d like to hear more about it!

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. How many of those 27 radios were car radios? I&#8217;d really be more interested in how they perform, since most of our listeners are not using home stereos, superradios, etc&#8230;<br />
Also, what would you say this distortion sounds like?<br />
How noticeable would it be for a typical listener who doesn&#8217;t have us up really loud and has background ambience blending in?<br />
This is a very interesting topic and I think your research is a great idea. I&#8217;d like to hear more about it!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Silicon Labs Enters Car Radio Market by Gary</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=947#comment-1376</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great news ! However, with the current trend of using smaller and shorter antennas, I seriously doubt that the new chip -sets will deliver what they promise. My experience has been very negative with newer AM-FM mobile receive antennas. In most new cars, AM reception is really, really poor. So, working on an improved antenna system is a must, or the new chip-sets will be worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great news ! However, with the current trend of using smaller and shorter antennas, I seriously doubt that the new chip -sets will deliver what they promise. My experience has been very negative with newer AM-FM mobile receive antennas. In most new cars, AM reception is really, really poor. So, working on an improved antenna system is a must, or the new chip-sets will be worthless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on All India Radio Checks Out DRM+ by Ashutosh Kumar</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=489#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashutosh Kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I m interested in drm technology and I m a radio hobbiest.  Please send me the full details about drm radio sets and future plans for drm transmission in India</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I m interested in drm technology and I m a radio hobbiest.  Please send me the full details about drm radio sets and future plans for drm transmission in India</p>
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		<title>Comment on Preserving Pirate Radio at the Internet Archive by Mike Doyal</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=916#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Doyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pity the &quot;community broadcasters&quot; in latin amerika, as they are the voice of the disenfranchised.
  Cool &quot;Radio Caroline&quot; references. I had not known of the &quot;Radio Atlantis&quot; connection, and, evolution to the &quot;Caroline North&quot;, and, &quot;South&quot;.
  Somewhere, I have an OLD clipping from &quot;Radio World&quot;, or, &quot;Radio Guide&quot;(it was 30 yrs ago!)of a photo of &quot;Radio Caroline&quot;. It looked like an old salvaged &quot;Liberty Ship&quot; of WW II vintage, described as having it&#039;s &quot;holds filled with concrete ballast, a couple of large gen-sets,and, diesel fuel tanks&quot;. It appeared to have a two tower, series excited, directional array on deck. I seem to recall there were a couple of 50 KW xmtrs, as well as others, on various bands. 
Thanks for the memories !
Happy Holidays !
Kind regards,
    M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pity the &#8220;community broadcasters&#8221; in latin amerika, as they are the voice of the disenfranchised.<br />
  Cool &#8220;Radio Caroline&#8221; references. I had not known of the &#8220;Radio Atlantis&#8221; connection, and, evolution to the &#8220;Caroline North&#8221;, and, &#8220;South&#8221;.<br />
  Somewhere, I have an OLD clipping from &#8220;Radio World&#8221;, or, &#8220;Radio Guide&#8221;(it was 30 yrs ago!)of a photo of &#8220;Radio Caroline&#8221;. It looked like an old salvaged &#8220;Liberty Ship&#8221; of WW II vintage, described as having it&#8217;s &#8220;holds filled with concrete ballast, a couple of large gen-sets,and, diesel fuel tanks&#8221;. It appeared to have a two tower, series excited, directional array on deck. I seem to recall there were a couple of 50 KW xmtrs, as well as others, on various bands.<br />
Thanks for the memories !<br />
Happy Holidays !<br />
Kind regards,<br />
    M</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting the Most from Tech Support by broadcast equipment</title>
		<link>http://blog.wheatstone.com/?p=571#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>broadcast equipment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone who uses broadcast equipment knows how critical the support time and the repair time are.
The tech support is the face of the company, unfortunately not all of them understand that. I think that&#039;s where the &quot;trust issue&quot; coming from- the tech support is not always as professional as needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone who uses broadcast equipment knows how critical the support time and the repair time are.<br />
The tech support is the face of the company, unfortunately not all of them understand that. I think that&#8217;s where the &#8220;trust issue&#8221; coming from- the tech support is not always as professional as needed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Vinyl&#8217;s Third Coming by Scott Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, John; that&#039;s a stock photo, so I have no idea as to the shelving used. It does look nice, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, John; that&#8217;s a stock photo, so I have no idea as to the shelving used. It does look nice, though.</p>
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